Grassroots naturism, Part 2

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Mark: OK, gang, I think everyone who we were expecting is here now, and you’ve all had a chance to sample the snacks that people have brought and – if you came early enough – enjoy a dip in our pool. So it’s time to get down to business. I promise I won’t make this last too long. After it’s over with we can go back to enjoying the afternoon and evening nakedly.
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Grassroots naturism, Part 1

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Danielle: You’re not nervous are you, Mom?

Jan: No. Why should I be? I’ve been a nudist like the rest of you since we got back from Reese’s.

Danielle: Did they want to know all about what happened?

Jan: Yes, but I didn’t go into specifics. I didn’t want to make a big deal about it. As you’ve been telling your friends, whether or not to wear any clothes should be a choice people make for themselves. I just finally made my choice.
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Jan and Dave’s family, Part 8

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Sharlene: I’m sorry I had to interrupt our conversation because dinner was nearly ready. Perhaps we can resume now, where Danielle was about to tell us about what happened after that eventful camping trip – which was the first time she started to really enjoy nudity. Ready to go back to that now, Danielle?

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Jan and Dave’s family, Part 7

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Sharlene Hansen: I’m delighted that your wonderful family was able to accept our dinner invitation so soon. Pete has been almost bursting with curiosity to learn more about your family’s adventures with nudism. Dinner’s in the oven now. It’s a standing rib roast – should be plenty enough there for all of us. But it needs to cook a while longer. Let’s go into the living room so you can tell us about what’s been going on since I saw you a couple of weeks ago.

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Jan and Dave’s family, Part 6

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Sean: Mom, I think there’s someone at the front door.

Jan: Well, I’m on the phone right now. Please go see who it is. Wait – do you have any clothes on?

Sean: No, of course I don’t.

Jan: Then grab something to cover up quick – wrap on a towel if you have to. Sorry to interrupt our conversation, Anna. My son just said there’s someone at the door.

Anna: Yes, I heard. Is Sean spending time naked now, too, just like his father?

Jan: Yes, I’m afraid so. Like father, like son, you know. I’m surprised he hasn’t started before now. When we go for lunch tomorrow I’ll fill you in on the details. It’s kind of complicated. Listen, let me call you back after I deal with whoever’s at the door.

Sean: It’s Mrs. Hansen, Mom. Says this is just a social call and she can come back later if you’re busy.

Jan: No, send her in here. I haven’t heard from her in awhile, and I’d be happy to talk with her. Oh, and where is your sister?

Sean: I don’t know, but she’s probably out in the pool to work out, as usual.

Sharlene Hansen: Hi, Jan. Sorry to barge in on you like this, but I’ve been harvesting some of my roses. The bushes are just going crazy with flowers this summer. Must be all the heat we’ve had. Anyhow, I wanted you to have some – I can’t possibly use them all.

Jan: Oh, thank you so much, Sharlene. Why don’t you come in and sit down for a bit. Can I offer you some iced tea?

Sharlene: Yes, that would be lovely. It is so darned hot outside.

Danielle: Hey, Mom, I just came in to make myself a little lunch… Oh, excuse me, Mrs. Hansen. I had no idea anyone else was here.

Jan: Danielle, please go put something on to cover up if you’re not going right back outside.

Danielle: Gosh, I’m so sorry, Mom, really.

Sharlene: Oh don’t apologize, Danielle. And don’t be so hard on the girl, Jan. I raised a family of three kids, you know. Seen ’em all naked many times, even when they were almost as old as Sean and Danielle. Come on in, Danielle, and please don’t bother putting anything on if you don’t feel like it. If your mom doesn’t want me to leave right away you might be interested in our conversation.

Jan: No, no, Sharlene, don’t feel you have to leave quickly. I was on the phone with my friend Anna. But she’ll understand if I don’t call back right away. And thanks so much for the roses – they’re beautiful! Was there something in particular you wanted to talk about?

Sharlene: Yes, but first I want to tell both of you kids that there’s no need whatsoever to wear any clothes at all while I’m around. You can take that towel off right now, Sean, if you want to. Might as well get as naked as your sister.

Jan: I guess I’d better explain about this nudity. It’s a long story, but, see, Dave has been interested in nudism for some time – at least a year. He finally told me about that a couple of months ago and said he’d like to experiment with going naked around the house.

Sharlene: I imagine that must have come as a bit of a surprise to you.

Jan: Yes, of course. You have to understand I don’t find nudity all that shocking or scandalous or anything like that. As far as I know I’ve never been acquainted with any nudists, but I wouldn’t lose respect for anyone if I learned they were into that. To each his or her own I believe. But naturally I was surprised to learn Dave was interested in nudism. He pointed me to information on the subject, and I have to admit there are some aspects of it that I can understand might be appealing. So I told Dave it was OK if he wanted to be naked at home, as long as nobody besides me – including our kids – were around.

Sharlene: But evidently conditions have relaxed a little since then.

Jan: Yes, obviously. What happened is that my mother was here for a short visit. I told her about Dave’s interest in nudism, and she told me something she’d never mentioned to me before – namely that nudity was not uncommon in her family when she was fairly young.

Sharlene: Were you mother and her family actually nudists?

Jan: No. As Mom’s siblings got older and had friends often visiting, nudity around their house gradually became less and less common. But she did emphasize that she couldn’t see how any harm had been done to herself or her siblings as a result of nudity in their family.

Sharlene: And so you gave Dave the OK to be naked even when Sean and Danielle were around.

Jan: Yes. But that meant we had to explain to the kids what was going on, so they’d understand why they’d probably be seeing their father naked quite a lot. So we had to explain “nudism” to them, why Dave was interested in it, and so on. Naturally they had lots of questions, but we let them read Dave’s nudist magazines, and Dave tried to answer the questions as best he could. He encouraged them to look for further information on the Internet.

Sharlene: So, did the kids get interested in being nudists too at that point?

Jan: Well, yes, but rather gradually. They quickly got used to seeing Dave naked, and didn’t seem perturbed about it. But they were slower to try it themselves. Sean took the lead by deciding he wouldn’t bother wearing a swimming suit to use our pool. However, what really broke the ice was when Danielle told us that one of the other girls on her swimming team, Shelley, was a nudist, like the rest of her family. So we met Shelley’s family the next time we were with Danielle at a swimming team practice. We had a nice conversation about things, and they invited us to visit their home after the practice. We did that and learned a lot about their family’s involvement with nudism. Shelley’s parents had gotten into it just after they were married, and they raised their kids in a home where nobody wore any clothes unless absolutely necessary.

Sean: And you know what was really cool?

Sharlene: No, what, Sean?

Sean: Shelley’s family had planned to go on a camping trip the following week – and they invited our whole family to join them! So we did, and I think we had the best time camping ever! We hiked and played in a little stream near the campsite, and I saw about a dozen birds I’d never seen before. Oh, and all of us except for Mom were naked most of the time.

Sharlene: That was your first experience being naked around people other than your family?

Sean: Yeah. It was easy for Dad, of course. But Danielle and I were sort of afraid, before the trip, that we might be tempted to go naked too. Fortunately, by the time we got to the campsite, Danielle and I felt a lot braver. In fact, we actually started looking forward to see what it felt like to enjoy camping naked.

Sharlene: That’s wonderful. I’d love to hear all about that trip.

Jan: I’m sure the kids would love to tell you, too. But perhaps you weren’t planning to spend the rest of the afternoon here.

Sharlene: Well, I do have a few other things I need to do this afternoon. However, I’m really curious to hear more about what’s been going on in your family as far as nudity is concerned – but only if you don’t mind talking about it. I certainly don’t mean to be too nosy and pry into anything that’s none of my business.

Jan: Don’t worry about that, Sharlene. I’ve given up thinking it would be possible to keep this stuff a secret for very long. I have the impression that you’re pretty open-minded about this subject.

Sharlene: Yeah, I guess so. Nudism’s certainly not anything Pete and I have even considered for ourselves, but I don’t think either of us could object to anyone else’s interest in it. I’m very curious to know how Sean and Danielle feel about all this. They both look quite comfortable without any clothes on. Are both of you often naked now?

Sean: Yeah, I am a lot of the time here at home, just like Dad. But I don’t go naked elsewhere, like at friends’ homes. I’m not quite comfortable enough to try that yet. It’s sort of an embarrassing thing to talk about. I’m not sure I could explain well enough about being naked that my friends and their parents would be OK with it.

Sharlene: How about you, Danielle?

Danielle: Well, so far during the day I’m mostly not naked except to use the pool. I almost always put some clothes on – at least a pair of shorts – when I’m done swimming and sunbathing. But I do sleep naked all the time now! As for other times, I haven’t really decided yet. I’m not as brave about it as Sean is. But I’m getting bolder.

Sharlene: How so?

Danielle: It wasn’t actually intentional. A few days ago I overslept a bit. I woke up when Mom sent Sean to tell me breakfast was ready. He’d already started being naked most of the time. So I figured, what the heck, I might as well stay naked to have breakfast, so that’s what I did. And it felt pretty good! You know, just doing something completely ordinary like eating breakfast, but doing that naked even without a particular reason such as when I’m in or around the pool.

Sharlene: So it just seemed normal pretty quickly?

Danielle: Yeah! That was the best part – nobody teased me or even commented on how I didn’t have any clothes on! I’d have felt much more self-conscious if they’d done that. It was like, hey, what’s the big deal about eating breakfast naked?

Sean: Of course we didn’t say anything. Dad had been doing that for a while, and I’d started being naked a lot too.

Danielle: So I decided to be brave and see how long I’d feel comfortable staying naked after breakfast. I didn’t put any clothes on at all that day! I mostly stopped even thinking about how I was stark naked. A few times I did think “Wow, here I am without any clothes on, and nobody seems to regard that as the least bit unusual.” I really understood how Dad enjoyed being naked so much.

Sharlene: Good for you, Danielle. You’ll find many times in life that you need to be brave to try something new, even if it’s something you want. There are always fears whenever you think about making significant changes in your life. You just have to consider those fears objectively, and then decide what’s best. Was this your first day being naked at home the whole time?

Danielle: Yeah. I’d been naked at certain times, like from before bedtime until after breakfast, and when I was around the pool. I was naked for a few days straight on that camping trip. But that was kind of a special occasion when it would have seemed uncooperative not to be naked, since there was no real excuse for wearing any clothes.

Sharlene: Not even any worries about sunburn or bug bites?

Danielle: Nope. I tan easily, as you can see, and seldom burn. Besides, we were camped in a shady area. And there didn’t seem to be mosquitoes or other unpleasant bugs around.

Sharlene: Good thinking, Danielle. That’s just the right way to deal with your fears. You already knew from being naked at home that nobody, at least in your family, would make you feel embarrassed about being naked. And you don’t seem at all embarrassed because I’m here. I bet your father is impressed that you’ve been pretty brave about going naked.

Danielle: Yep. He didn’t put any pressure on me, but I’ve done it anyhow. He’s also glad he isn’t the only one in the family now who goes naked.

Sharlene: Although I’d love to hear more about that camping trip, I really can’t stay much longer. Can I have a rain check on that.

Jan: Certainly. We all really enjoyed that trip – including me, although I didn’t get naked, since I haven’t worked through my concerns about nudity the way the others have.

Sharlene: I sympathize with you, Jan. If anyone suggested camping naked to me, I’d also need a lot more time to think about it. We all have our own unique situations and feelings, so one size don’t fit all. I do need to discuss something more before I need to leave, but first I just have to ask Danielle whether after staying naked the whole day the first time at home she felt really comfortable doing that.

Danielle: Actually, no, not quite. Most days since then I’ve stayed naked until after breakfast, then I usually put something on. I’ve generally stopped wearing a top at home now, but I usually have at least shorts on. However, unless there’s a particular reason to be naked, I’ve generally had something on until supper time. Then I get naked again for dinner, and stay like that the rest of the day. I don’t feel quite ready yet to be naked as much as Sean and Dad are.

Sharlene: How come?

Danielle: Well, it’s mostly because I have a number of friends, and I don’t know quite how to explain to them that nudity has become common at our house. Many days I either spend much of the day visiting a friend or friends, or have someone visiting me, so I get dressed normally for that. If I know there’ll be anyone else visiting here, I also dress normally. Mom has piano students here many days, you know.

Sharlene: What about Sean and your father when there are visitors?

Danielle: So far they’ve both been very cooperative about putting something on if they plan to be around. See, none of my friends know yet even that I go naked around the pool. So I haven’t had to try to figure out how they might react to nudity – either mine or someone else’s. I’m not very sure I could explain it too well.

Sharlene: You never have unexpected visitors?

Jan: No, so far there haven’t been any surprise visits. You’re actually the first to drop in unexpectedly and find anyone naked. But remember, it’s been about three weeks since my mother’s visit and nudity became much more common here.

Sharlene: So you haven’t had any surprise visits from friends yet while you were naked, Danielle?

Danielle: No, not yet. I know it’s bound to happen eventually, so I need to figure out what to tell anyone who comes unexpectedly. My goal is to be naked as much as Sean and Dad. For that I want to have a pretty good explanation. But until then it’s best if I’m not completely naked too much myself during the day.

Sharlene: That’s too bad, but I’m sure you’ll figure it out. Your mom always tells me that you’re really smart.

Danielle: I don’t know about that, but I’m just going to need more time to think about this nudity stuff. My friends might understand how Dad and Sean can handle it. But going naked just seems riskier for girls than boys.

Jan: Unfortunately, I can’t give Danielle much advice, since I don’t quite understand this “nudity stuff” myself.

Sharlene: For sure Danielle should take all the time she needs to think about it. Whatever decision she makes could have a big effect on her. But just to be clear, at my age I could hardly criticize anybody I know who enjoys being naked. As far as I’m concerned, go for it, if it’s what you want. But you’re OK with what your kids are doing, Jan?

Jan: Well, I still have some reservations, but I’m trying to be patient and see how this develops. It’s kind of an experiment for our whole family. What happens to any of us will affect the rest of us.

Sharlene: Being patient with others even if we don’t fully understand what’s driving them is pretty important.

Jan: I did get used pretty quickly to Dave’s nudity. If anything I’m a little surprised the kids – Danielle especially – have been as cautions about taking up full nudity as they have. Danielle has usually been more impulsive and more of a risk-taker than Sean. But we can go into that some other time. You said there was something you wanted to talk about?

Sharlene: Yes. I just have a little information for you. It’s no big deal. Nothing I’d be too concerned about. Probably it won’t even be news to you. But there are rumors going around the neighborhood, and I thought you ought to know.

Jan: I can guess what those rumors are about. After all, the evidence is standing right here in front of us. So, I suppose there are neighbors who’ve learned that we have at least one dedicated nudist in the family now, and perhaps more. I’ve been pretty sure the fact would leak out sooner or later.

Sharlene: Yes, you have the gist of it. But it doesn’t seem like anybody’s upset about it. People just find it, oh, “interesting”. More just curious rather than anything else. Perhaps they feel, like me, that everyone has a right to wear as much or as little as they want in their own home. At least, that’s the sense I have from most of those I’ve talked with. I think you don’t have much to worry about.

Jan: Who have you heard this “rumor” from?

Sharlene: Maybe half a dozen people. I’m not even sure who was first. You know, if anything you should be glad that many neighbors know about this, but don’t seem upset about it. And if they are, it’s really none of their business. I think you should feel it’s OK to discuss this with anyone you care to – or nobody if that’s what you want.

Jan: I don’t mind discussing this a little with you, since you seem to be interested and open-minded. But please keep anything I say to yourself. If the subject comes up with anyone else, tell them you’ve heard that I know about the rumors and I’m willing to talk about them if they come to me. Wait, I just heard someone pull in the garage – must be Dave. Don’t worry – he’ll have clothes on. Doesn’t drive around naked, at least not as far as I know.

Dave: Honey, I’m home. Oh… hello Sharlene. And, Danielle, isn’t this a first for you? Not having any clothes on while we have a visitor, I mean.

Danielle: I just came in from the pool a few minutes ago to get some lunch. You know I’ve usually been naked in the pool a little while now. I didn’t realize Mrs. Hansen was here, but she said I didn’t need to bother putting anything on.

Jan: Dave, it seems like the cat’s out of the bag now. Sharlene says a number of the neighbors she’s talked with have been spreading rumors about us… which apparently are roughly accurate.

Danielle: And Mrs. Hansen says not to worry, Dad. Evidently nobody thinks we’re doing anything bad.

Dave: They shouldn’t. Anyone should have the right to be naked in their own homes if they want to be.

Jan: Well, pull up a chair, then. We’ve been discussing this nudity stuff. Sharlene says she may have to leave soon. But perhaps she still has a few more questions. She’s promised that she won’t tell anyone else, and if anyone’s still curious they can come talk with us directly.

Sharlene: If my understanding is correct, Dave, you like to be naked most of the time now at home. So feel free to strip off if you want.

Dave: Seriously?

Sharlene: Sure. You don’t need to be embarrassed. Won’t bother me at all.

Dave: Well, maybe I’ll hold off for a bit, until I know more about these “rumors” that you say are spreading around.

Sharlene: Let me put your mind at ease then. The “rumor” is that you and perhaps others in you family enjoy being naked at home. But nobody I’ve talked with seems to be upset about that.

Dave: OK, that’s good. Normally I’d already have my clothes off. But I could tell there was someone else here, so I figured I’d better wait.

Sharlene: Jan and your kids have already given me a bit of the history about your interest in nudism and how things have unfolded here, so we don’t need to go over that again. Sean and Danielle have also said a little about their perspective on the topic. So right now – if Jan wants to talk about it and doesn’t think I’m being too nosy – I’m curious to know more about her own hesitance about experimenting with nudity.

Jan: I don’t mind your asking. No, I’m not experimenting with nudity yet myself. Being naked except in a few obvious circumstances just isn’t how I was raised. Although, as I’ve mentioned, my own mother says nudity was common in her family when she was growing up. But she hasn’t done anything like that for many years. Well, except for just a few times while she was here.

Danielle: Mom, I know it’s not polite to eat in front of other people who aren’t eating, but I’m starving. Would it be OK if I fix myself a sandwich?

Jan: Sure, it’s OK. Sharlene, can we offer you anything to eat?

Sharlene: Well, as usual I’m trying to watch my weight. But I haven’t had lunch yet. Danielle, what are you having? If it’s not too much trouble, I’d be happy with just a little of what you’re fixing.

Danielle: I’m just having a simple ham and cheese sandwich.

Sharlene: Oh, one my favorites. I’ll have one too. Mustard and mayo on it, please, if you can.

Danielle: One ham and cheese with mustard and mayo coming right up. Would you like fries with that… just kidding! Want anything yourself, Mom? Dad?

Jan: Nope, no thanks. I had a little leftover potato salad about half an hour ago.

Dave: I just had a sandwich at Subway on the way home, so I don’t need anything. But perhaps Sean would like something. Where is he, by the way?

Jan: Probably went back to his room to resume playing a computer game. He wrapped a towel around his waist when Sharlene came by, but he dropped it as soon as Sharlene said it was fine with her if he wanted to be naked.

Sharlene: Thanks for the sandwich, Danielle. Ummm – ciabatta bread, one of my favorites. Now, where were we? Oh, yes, Jan was starting to talk about how she’s still a hold-out as far as nudism is concerned. I imagine, Jan, that if you’re not yet a nudist yourself – and maybe have no intention of being one – all of this nudity may be somewhat embarrassing for you.

Jan: Yes, perhaps just a little. But I’m getting used to it. I imagine I’ll get over the slight embarrassment, though, whether or not I decide to give up wearing clothes at times, like the others.

Sharlene: You said your own mother was raised in a family where nudity was fairly common when she was young. However, she didn’t become a nudist, so I presume that nudity wasn’t very common in your family while you were growing up.

Jan: That’s correct. Nudity was hardly even discussed seriously. My mother never even told me until she was here so recently how things were in her family. I knew there were such people as “nudists” who like being naked just because it feels good to them – but assumed they must be very unusual.

Sharlene: Did you think that being a nudist was “bad” somehow?

Jan: Honestly, I probably never really thought about it. Although nudity was seldom discussed, it was obvious that my father strongly disapproved of it. From time to time he’d say pretty negative things about clothes that were “too skimpy”, let alone full nudity. Things like how often prominent movie stars and other celebrities – females in particular – tended to wear very revealing clothes, how awful it was that many movies were increasingly showing explicit nudity, how scandalous it seemed to him that there were a few public beaches, especially on the coasts, that were “clothing-optional”. And stuff like that.

Sharlene: So of course he also had nothing good to say about young girls and women who were scantily clad.

Jan: Right. When I and the other girls in my family were teens, there was definitely a dress code. We couldn’t even think of wearing dresses or shorts that were “too short”. Or skimpy tank tops. Or bare midriffs. Or prom dresses that showed “too much” cleavage. You get the idea. I assume he picked up these fairly prudish attitudes from his own family. But since this wasn’t a topic about which his opinions could be questioned, I never learned exactly how he justified them.

Sharlene: I’d guess that your mother never discussed these issues with him, in spite of the way she’d been raised herself.

Jan: Correct. She was quite well aware of my father’s opinions, and she told me while she was here that she didn’t feel it was worth the hassle of telling him about her own upbringing. In any case I suppose that my own hesitance about open nudity is an ingrained effect of knowing my father’s opinions. Now, of course, I can see that they were rather extreme. So although the idea of being naked like Dave and our kids seem to be enjoying still makes me uncomfortable, I have to respect what they feel is right for them.

Sharlene: Well, it’s been many years since I had a few psychology classes in college. But from those and all my experience since then as a parent and knowing other parents I’m well aware of how much influence a parent’s attitudes can have on their children, for better or worse. Sometime kids will rebel against those attitudes when they’re teens, but just as often they’ll find other ways to rebel. I suppose it depends a lot on the kinds of friends they have as teens. At all events, even if they rebel, they’re often left with some residue of guilt that they’d rejected their parents’ attitudes. And they often don’t quite understand the sources of their own feelings as adults.

Jan: That seems to be true of my own mother. Although she never felt she could oppose her husband’s attitudes on nudity, it was quite clear when she was here – without my father, who she’s still living with – that she feels no disapproval of “sensible” nudity. In fact, once she’d explained to us how nudity wasn’t unusual in her childhood family, she encouraged all of us to enjoy being naked if that seemed good to us. She congratulated Dave for being honest with the rest of us about his interest in nudity. So that, together with Dave’s own example, has allowed Sean and Danielle to become increasingly comfortable being naked themselves. And she happily joined with them in using our own pool naked.

Sharlene: Thank you so much, Jan, for being so open with me about sharing all of your “family secrets” on this. I think you’re doing the right thing by giving yourself plenty of time to figure out how you really feel about this “nudity stuff”. I’d love to continue this discussion the rest of the day. However, unfortunately, I do have other business to attend to this afternoon, so I’ve got to cut this short. I was really hoping to hear much more about this camping trip you had with the family of Danielle’s friend Shelley. But we’ll just have to save that for another time – very soon, I hope.

Jan: I feel very good about this discussion we’ve had, since I haven’t been able to share this information with anyone else in the neighborhood. But you’ve made me fell that it’s OK to discuss it – with the right people.

Sharlene: I’m glad if I’ve been of any help. I like to feel I can be a “sounding board” for anyone who wants to “get something off the chest”, so to speak. I’ll look forward to anything else you all would care to share with me about this nudity stuff. Perhaps you’d like to have dinner with Pete and me sometime soon. May I tell him what you’ve been telling me?

Jan: That would be OK, but please don’t tell anyone else unless and until I let you know otherwise. Be sure Pete understands that too. And we’ll be glad to have dinner with you anytime you suggest.

Sharlene: Yes, absolutely. Will do. For now it’s just between us and your family. And when you come for dinner, any of you may be as naked as you want. I’m sure Pete won’t mind.

To be continued.

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Jan and Dave’s family, Part 5

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Julie: We’ll give you a tour of the rest of the property a little later. But we’ll show you the house right now, since the very first thing the rest of the family and I always do when we get home is to strip off all the silly clothes. If anyone else wants to do likewise, that’s absolutely OK with us – but we never expect visitors to take off anything unless they want to.

Dave: Thanks, Julie! Can’t wait to get naked myself. However, although the rest of my family seems to have become pretty used to seeing me naked, I don’t think they’re quite ready to follow my example.

Julie: That’s perfectly OK. Whether to be naked or not certainly should be everyone’s personal choice. We don’t know many other people in this area who enjoy being naked as much as we do. Most of our friends and neighbors who drop in to visit prefer to keep all or most of their clothes on. Fortunately, they seem to be pretty comfortable with our family being fully naked. Also, they generally invite us to strip off when we visit them the first time – so that’s exactly what we do. After we’re naked the first time, our nudity is simply taken for granted. But I suppose our friends tend to be a bit more open-minded than average. They have to be to put up with us!

Mark: As you can see, we have plenty of closet space near the front door. That’s where we keep clothes to wear if we’re going someplace we can’t be naked. And of course all the clothes go right back there as soon as we return.

Shelley: Danielle and Sean, are you sure you wouldn’t like to take off any clothes? Maybe just your tops? I bet you’d find it feels great!

Danielle: Um, I don’t have any problems being with people who like to be naked, but I still haven’t figured out whether I’d be comfortable without clothes on. I hope you understand.

Shelley: Yes, absolutely. Most of my friends are same way. But it’s cool that they don’t mind at all if I’m naked. More often than you might expect, their families are just as tolerant. How about you, Sean, want to try stripping off?

Sean: Maybe later. I’m still thinking about it.

Dave: Looks like a pretty impressive place your family has. How long have you lived here?

Mark: Somewhat less than two years. Being a contractor with a lot of home building experience, I’ve always had the ambition to build something like this for my own family – a place that’s comfortable and spacious, without having to compromise too much on anything important. But it took awhile to accumulate enough money in the bank that I could afford to build what I really wanted without going into lots of debt.

Julie: It’s also been very important for Mark and me to have a place that’s just right for our naked lifestyle.

Jan: What is it you think’s important for that lifestyle?

Julie: Well, among other things, that means plenty of open space indoors, so the family can do what they like – whether it’s reading, playing games, working in the kitchen, indulging hobbies, being on their computers, or just watching TV – without having to retreat to some room apart from everyone else. See, a naked lifestyle isn’t just enjoying being naked yourself. It’s also being together with the rest of your naked family in one place, without being separated by walls.

Mark: Julie and I have a private bedroom upstairs, and the kids each have their own too. There’s also a sort of utility room with a big closet for storage and plenty of space to provide a bed for guests. But right now we’re not really set up for many guests at once, unless they don’t mind sleeping on air mattresses somewhere or other. However, I do plan to build a separate guest house outside. But I’m not sure when we might have lots of guests, so I haven’t decided yet how big to make it. Both Julie’s family and mine live pretty far away, and they’re still not very comfortable with our naked lifestyle, so they probably won’t visit often.

Julie: There’s only one big bathroom upstairs, with an open shower area and four shower heads so we can all shower together if we want. There are curtains around the toilets, though we don’t always bother with those.

Jan: Peeing right out in the open? I know some guys are OK with that, but you and Shelley too?

Shelley: Yeah, we have some of those little gadgets so we can pee standing up and direct the pee into the toilets. It’s almost as simple as peeing is for guys – especially if one doesn’t have any pants on. We go camping a lot – naked – so we’re used to doing it that way.

Julie: But if anyone, like guests, wants more privacy we have two smaller bathrooms on the ground floor.

Mark: I also have a private office for running my contracting business, to avoid distractions and also to have meetings with clients and people I work with. For meeting with people like that I might wear a little something or other in case they might not be comfortable with nudity. We’ll take you upstairs to see the other rooms and the views from the windows, but you can see just about everything else on this floor right from where we’re standing.

Julie: One other thing you’ll notice is that about half the outside walls in this room are glass about 7 feet high, so there’s plenty of light during the day and great views over the patio and swimming pool and to the woods beyond. It’s almost like living outdoors! Unfortunately, though, there’s not a lot of usable wall space for displaying art – nude art, of course.

Jan: Wow. This place seems palatial. I can understand how it took awhile to save enough money to build it.

Dave: I’ve heard that “great rooms” aren’t as popular now as they were 10 or 20 years ago, but yours is obviously just right for your naked lifestyle.

Julie: We certainly think so.

Shelley: Know what else we can do in this room? We have a portable zip-line that can be set up from the landing at the top of the stairs running over to the that window. Inside it’s only about 30 feet, but really fun. I’ll get it out if there’s time before you have to go. It’s especially fun if you’re naked, but still good even if you’re not. It can also be set up outside over the pool – so you wind up in the water! It’s almost 60 feet in that case.

Jan: This room looks perfect for having large parties. So much space, and with everyone in one room it’s easier to circulate around and find others. Do you entertain much?

Julie: Well, that’s been one of our objectives. Perhaps it’s obvious. We’d like to have lots of people here for great parties – as long as clothing is completely optional. Full or partial nudity is always encouraged – though without any pressure – even for people who’re OK with other folks’ nudity but may be a little hesitant about trying it themselves. Unfortunately, since we’re relatively new to this area, we don’t know all that many folks with pro-nudity attitudes yet. Maybe about four other families, several couples without kids, and a few single people who might or might not come with dates. I hope we can add your family to our regular guest list!

Dave: I think that would be great!

Mark: I think the most guests we’ve had for parties so far is only about 20, and most have gotten partly or fully naked. That’s a good number, but it was only once. I think we could comfortably handle 35 or 40 if we push the furniture to one side and set up tables on the patio for buffet food. 50 might be pretty cozy – though that’s not such a bad thing when folks are naked.

Dave: And unless it’s too cold outside to be naked comfortably, you could have many more people on the patio and around the pool.

Julie: Yes, of course. But hosting a party with so many people is rather daunting – except for one thing. Perhaps you recall that Mark mentioned one type of informal nudist organization – “travel clubs”.

Dave: Yes, I remember. That’s for groups of people who enjoy nudity but don’t have convenient commercial resorts or campgrounds to go to regularly, so they meet for parties at private homes of their members, and visit commercial places or camping places on public land as a group from time to time.

Mark: Right. We know of a couple of groups like that in the general area, but they’re not much more convenient to visit than commercial nudist places. And besides, most of the members are somewhat older couples, most of whom don’t have younger kids like ours. They’re still nice people, but they aren’t as interested in the sorts of things that we like, such as going to clothing-optional spots on suitable rivers or lakes, or camping in the woods, or just hiking naked.

Dave: So you’d like to start a nudist group of your own with members who are more like yourselves?

Julie: Exactly! I’m a more sociable sort of person than Mark, but we both want to meet more people who already do or could enjoy a naked lifestyle like ours. It’s just difficult to find people like that. Mark sometimes says I’m sort of a social butterfly, and I probably was before we got married and decided to be naked as much as possible. The nudity aspect makes finding compatible friends more difficult – especially people who don’t mind being rather open about enjoying nudity. I mean, I can’t just set up a table like others do in some city parks or shopping areas and pass out flyers announcing a nudist group. And especially I can’t do it being naked myself.

Jan: Does sound like a tough problem.

Julie: Yes, and there are plenty of other concerns. For example, just putting up announcements on community bulletin boards in supermarkets or post offices isn’t a great idea. You’d never know what sort of weirdos might turn up. Ditto for announcements in community newspapers. And Terry has suggested setting up a page on Facebook and referring people to it from existing Facebook nudist groups. But you may know how Facebook and most other Internet sites are pretty full of weirdos. There are various other possibilities, and we’ve tried a few, but haven’t had much success so far.

Mark: Although the idea to start our own nudist group has been in the back of our minds, and we now have the perfect home to host a group like that, we’ve only started to brainstorm seriously how to do that. However, as they say “word gets around”. When you’re naked all or most of the time at home, and don’t try to hide it, most of your neighbors eventually know about that. Many will be friendly, understanding, and sympathetic, yet not interested in going naked themselves. But they tell others about their naked neighbors. That’s how we’ve met almost all of the other people around here who really enjoy nudity – they come to us. Often they just shown up unannounced at our front door and leave a small gift like cookies or potted plants to welcome us to the area.

Shelley: And girls on out swim team know I’m a nudist, of course. If anyone mentions it, I certainly don’t hesitate to confirm that – and that my whole family likes to be naked. I get kidded about this a lot as a result, but I don’t mind. However, I’ve been on the team for only a few months so far. You guys are the only ones who seem to have been especially interested.

Julie: One thing I worry about is that many people who are favorable towards nudity just don’t want to be as open about it as we are. So they think maybe we’re atypical, and they don’t discuss the subject with others. Maybe they’re afraid that if they join a nudist group then they’ll have to become more open. That’s not really true. Many people who like to be naked are quite able to keep this interest a secret from people they don’t want to know, if they’re just careful enough. In the private groups I know about, people are also very careful not to talk about other group members by name to outsiders. But we don’t know about these “closet” nudists unless they come to us. It really sucks how nudity is such a taboo in our society, so that people who might enjoy nudity think they need to be secretive about it.

Jan: But isn’t it true that people who enjoy nudity could lose their jobs or many of their friends if they were open about it? Like teachers, for example.

Mark: Unfortunately, that can be true, especially in certain communities and parts of the country. Everybody’s circumstances are somewhat unique, just in terms of what kinds of friends and family they have. What can you do if a close relative you like is really negative about social nudity? This is a genuine difficulty, or at least seems to be risky to many people.

Julie: Well, enough of this downbeat chatter. Let’s go have a look around the rest of our house and then our property outside. After we’ve shown you around, you’re all certainly welcome to join us for a dip in the pool if you like.

Jan: But some of us don’t have swim suits and are still not sure we’re comfortable being naked. That’s no problem for Dave, of course, and Danielle still has her suit from swimming practice. But what about me and Sean and Susan?

Sean: I guess I can go in the pool naked. I might not stay naked, but I can cover up with a towel if I need to.

Susan: I’ll be brave and go naked, too. Remember, I was used to that in my family when I was much younger. My body’s completely different now, but what the heck. I’d love to feel like a five-year-old again!

Julie: Great, Susan. And you needn’t worry, Jan. I keep a few clean women’s suits, both tanks and two-pieces, for situations just like this. It’s fine with us for you to wear one of those if you wish. Oh, and by the way, I want to ask you now whether you can stay for dinner. We’d love to have you. We have various things we can put on the grill: chicken, steaks, sausages, or burgers – take your pick. I’ll make a simple salad. Won’t be any problem at all to feed you folks.

Jan: I’d love to accept your hospitality. That OK with you, Dave?

Dave: Certainly.

Mark: It seems we’re all set then. As we’re walking around, I have another suggestion for you all to think about. Camping has been mentioned several times, because it’s something our family loves to do. We know various great spots in the woods and other places off the beaten path where we can be naked the whole time. It just happens that we’ve already planned a trip for next week, in a spot we all like in National Forest land not too far away. You know the Forest Service allows camping almost anywhere except a few areas, right?

Dave: Yes, I’ve heard that. Our family likes to camp too, but so far we’ve mostly just used established campgrounds.

Jan: But are the Forest Service folks OK with people being naked while camping on their land?

Julie: In our experience there are very few who will have any objection if they happen to see you naked. They might let you know, however, whether there are other campers in the area who might have objections.

Jan: But doesn’t it happen often that other nearby campers aren’t OK with nudity?

Julie: Yeah, to be honest it does happen sometimes. But people are almost always civil about it. Occasions where someone gets very angry and hostile are very rare, at least in our experience. It’s usually possible to work out satisfactory arrangements, such as moving a campsite a little for more privacy. We’ve even agreed to cover ourselves up a bit for a little while, if we or others aren’t planning to stay around much longer or when individuals who object to nudity are present. And after all, there are other situations besides nudity that can present problems for nearby campers, such as loud music, noisy generators, smoky campfires. Making accommodations for nudity isn’t very different from what would be done in those other cases.

Mark: Most people who enjoy camping in remote places, as we do, tend to be pretty laid-back types, so there are fewer problems than you might think.

Dave: Good. That’s reassuring.

Mark: Not to change the subject, Dave, but I noticed you have a nice 4wd truck rather like mine. The place we’re thinking about is almost impossible to reach without that sort of vehicle, especially if you need to bring much equipment. Rather primitive back roads, you know. But your truck would be just fine. So I’m suggesting you’d be quite welcome to join us if you’d like to and can get away.

Dave: I have a fair amount of free time in my line of work. Although I do have a contract programming job right now, there’s no big time pressure. I could take off for up to a whole week, I think. How about it, Jan, did you have any plans?

Jan: Well, my Mom is leaving on Sunday.

Susan: And I’m sorry about that, too, since I’d love to go camping as well. But the flights are all arranged and it’s too much hassle to rebook.

Jan: I do have some piano students scheduled for lessons next week. But their families often want to reschedule for various reasons, so they’ll probably be OK with a new time the following week. I’ve been known to make schedule changes like that before. Shouldn’t be much problem.

Danielle: It’s summer. I don’t have many commitments, except for swimming. But Shelley will miss next week too. There’s usually two or three team members that can’t show up. Should be OK.

Sean: Nothing’s on for me that I know about.

Mark: Excellent, excellent! Let’s do it, then!

Sean: Will there be lots of birds in this place you’re going? I’m super interested in birds and like to see as many different ones as possible.

Mark: Yes, Sean, I think so. I don’t know much about birds, so maybe you can help me learn to spot a few. In the woods, you probably know, there are various raptors and quail and so on. Many you’re not likely to see in town, I suppose.

Julie: How about you, Danielle? What do you like to do on camping trips?

Danielle: Well, if there’s a lake nearby I love to swim, of course. And I love hiking too.

Mark: I’m afraid there are only some small streams where we’re going. No lakes of any size. So you can get wet and splash around a little, but that’s about it. However, there’ll be plenty of places to hike.

Danielle: You go on the trials naked very much?

Julie: Absolutely. It wouldn’t be nearly as much fun if we wore anything besides boots and perhaps a shirt – but only if there’s not much shade and we need the protection. Sunburn on your boobs is a bitch.

Danielle: Is this a place you won’t meet others on the trails if you’re naked?

Julie: No, I’ll be honest with you, Danielle. There may be a few others. But there’s hardly any objection to nudity on the trails. Since the encounters are brief, it’s even less of a problem than around campsites. You’d be surprised how many people hike naked. And most of those who don’t seem to have little problem with those who do. At least that’s how it is in the places where we like to camp. Once you’re fairly comfortable being naked, you can be as naked as you like and probably won’t have any hassles. In decent weather what’s more important than how much you wear is to have good boots, some sunscreen and insect repellent if you need it, and a pack that’s comfortable to wear next to your bare skin.

To be continued.

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Jan and Dave’s family, Part 4

Introduction to the story
Previous installment

Susan: So this is your local high school. It seems almost brand new, and impressive.

Dave: Yes, it’s pretty new. The old high school was a real relic, of the 1930s I think. This one is better in almost every way, in addition to simply not being rather decrepit. There’s a fine library, comfortable, well-lit classrooms, a modern computer network so that students can do a lot of their learning on individual computers. And, of course, an excellent swimming pool. Although Danielle’s swim team isn’t sponsored by the school, they’re able to rent the pool – at a reasonable price – for their weekly practicing and when they’re hosting a swim meet.

Susan: Goodness. It still can’t be cheap to rent an Olympic-size pool for a couple of hours every week.

Jan: No, it’s not cheap, but all the parents of team members seem to think it’s worth it. I know we do – especially since Danielle has been so successful as a swimmer. Also, the girls themselves work hard on several fund-raising events during the year. That gives them plenty of motivation to perform their best in competitions.

Susan: While it’s true that winning isn’t everything, there’s still no doubt it’s a big deal. Didn’t someone say “If you don’t know where you’re going, you’ll certainly end up somewhere else”?

Dave: That was supposedly Yogi Berra, I think.

Danielle: I’m probably being quite overly ambitious, but I have hopes of at least trying out for the next Olympics.

Susan: Well, I certainly wouldn’t bet against you, dear. It’s certainly impressive that you’re also a virtuoso pianist – in addition to being a potential Olympic competitor.

Danielle: That’s probably far too much to hope for – but I can certainly try.

Susan: You go, girl! That’s definitely the right attitude. However things turn out, your Gramma will be very proud of you.

Danielle: Oh, look, here come Shelley and her family right now. At least, I suppose that’s her family. I’ve seen her with them before, but haven’t actually met them. The family name is Amberson, but I don’t know their first names. Hey, Shelley, could you and your family hold up for a sec so we can get acquainted with all of you? My Gramma is here to watch us practice today.

Shelley: Sure. (Turning to her mother) Mom, this is Danielle and her family. She’s probably the best swimmer on the team.

Julie Amberson: We’re delighted to meet you and the rest of your family, Danielle. It’s our pleasure to meet the family of the team’s star swimmer. I’m Julie, Shelley’s mother. This is my husband, Mark. And this is Shelley’s older brother, Terry.

Mark Amberson: This is my pleasure, too. It’s unfortunate we haven’t gotten acquainted before.

Danielle: This is my Gramma Susan. She’s my Mom’s mother. And this is my Dad, Dave, and my brother, Sean. Gramma is visiting with us for awhile, and I’m really glad she could be here to watch our team.

Jan: We’re the Stuarts, and we’re pleased to meet all of you, as well. I agree it’s too bad we haven’t introduced each other before now.

Julie: No problem. This is Shelley’s first year on the team, so it’s not too surprising we haven’t met all the other parents yet. Sometimes I just bring Shelley by myself, since Mark has to work some Saturdays. He’s a contractor, and his schedule is not very predictable. He usually has several projects he needs to keep an eye on.

Mark: It’s kind of a hectic job, but I make enough to support the family on. I can’t complain about that. I’m sure the girls are eager to go now to get ready to swim, since practice is scheduled to start in just a couple of minutes. Shall we find a place over on that side where we can watch and get to know each other a little better?

Dave: Certainly, that sounds fine.

Mark: So what do you do for a living, Dave?

Dave: I’m a freelance software engineer. It’s pretty specialized work, since I have skills that not a lot of others do, but they’re in a good deal of demand. So I don’t have any trouble finding gigs, and the pay is good. We live in a pretty comfortable house in town, and it’s perfect for Danielle, since we have a very nice pool. During the summer she can use it as much as she wants. At other times she has to rely on the indoor pool here, but fortunately it’s very convenient for us. How about you and your family? Danielle says she thinks you live a few miles outside of town.

Mark: Yes, we’re about 15 miles outside. But it’s not any trouble to come in here when we need to, for shopping and things like this. The upside is that we have a nice piece of property – about 10 acres, with trees on it and plenty of privacy.

Jan: You say “privacy”, so there’s a question I want to ask. I hope you don’t consider the question too nosy, because if my assumption is wrong it might be a bit embarrassing, but I’ll ask anyhow.

Julie: No problem. Ask anything you like. We can easily say “no comment” if necessary, though I rather doubt it will be. We don’t have anything we feel a need to hide.

Jan: Fine. Well, you see, Danielle has noticed that when your daughter changes into her swimsuit at practices she doesn’t seem to have any tan lines, even though she obviously spends plenty of time in the sun. So Danielle has wondered whether perhaps there are some in your family – in addition, possibly, to Shelley – who might be nudists. Danielle doesn’t feel she knows Shelley well enough to ask her directly, so she’s kind of been bugging us to ask you for her.

Julie: Oh, yes, we’re all definitely nudists, and we’re not the least bit ashamed to admit it to anyone who seems reasonably open-minded – as I’m sure you are. Do you have nudists in your family too? Shelley has told us that she’s the only one on the team that doesn’t have any tan lines, so we suppose Danielle, at least, isn’t a dedicated nudist.

Jan: I’m afraid I have to say that at this point in time Dave is the only one in our family who even comes close to being a “nudist” – or “naturist”, which is the term her prefers. My mother, Susan, had some experience with open nudity in her family, but that was a long time ago. I think I’d better let Dave explain a little more where he’s at.

Dave: I guess, especially compared to your family, I don’t have much right to call myself a naturist. I have been interested in the idea for almost a year, and I’ve been gradually learning more about it. A couple of months ago I started going naked a fair amount of the time at home when nobody else but Jan was there. I usually work from home, so it’s quite possible to be naked a lot.

Jan: I must admit it was a little surprising to me when I learned about Dave’s interest in nudity and naturism. It’s not something that had even occurred to me. And, honestly, I don’t have the desire that Dave has to be naked as much as he can when nobody else is around and it’s possible.

Dave: Fortunately, Jan has been pretty understanding of this interest I have in nudity, but until just this week our kids, let alone anyone else, haven’t known about it. Since Susan has been visiting with us, and she told us she had experience with nudity in her family when she was pretty young, I’ve sort of put all my cards on the table. Sean thinks it’s fine for me to be naked if I want when only our family is around, though he hasn’t actually tried it yet, as far as I know. Danielle doesn’t seem to mind at all either for me to go naked around our place, including our backyard pool. But like Sean she hasn’t indicated an interest in trying it herself.

Julie: Well, our experience has been quite different. Neither of us were raised in nudist families, but shortly after we got married we both decided that, hey, it’s a real blast to be naked most of the time at home, not just when we’re in bed, so let’s just do it. We’re usually naked outside on our property too, when it’s warm enough. And if we have any clothes on when we go out, they come off again as soon as we get inside. Terry and Shelley do just the same – we’ve raised them as nudists since the day they were born.

Mark: For a long time our kids had no idea that most people aren’t usually naked when only their family is around. When they learned that, they felt sorry for families that weren’t naked like ours.

Jan: So it’s worked out pretty well for your family, then.

Julie: Yes, on the whole it’s been quite a positive experience. However, from meeting many other nudists, we’re quite aware that everyone’s different in how they become nudists. People become full-fledged nudists like Mark and me at very different rates and for many different reasons. No one needs to apologize if it takes them much longer to grok it. Many people never quite get what’s so great about nudity. But even in that case, most are understanding about our preference for nudity – as long as they’re open-minded and willing to accept us naked, as we are whenever possible.

Jan: Do you have much trouble from people who find out you’re nudists but aren’t especially open-minded?

Mark: Yes, sadly, that does happen sometimes. That’s the reason privacy’s important for us. In the past most neighbors we’ve had raised no objections if they happened to see us naked occasionally. Neighbors who had young kids tended to be a little more concerned about visible nudity. But on the whole, only a few neighbors have actually been rather unpleasant about it. And quite a few neighbors have been very accepting of our nudity.

Jan: That’s encouraging.

Mark: In fact, we’ve had many neighbors who’ve defended us to others who are more skeptical of nudity. Many have been happy for any of us to visit in their homes as naked as we normally are – even if they had kids. And they’ve generally felt free to visit us at home or let their kids visit – just as they would with most other neighbors.

Julie: Nevertheless, we’ve always tried not to be flagrantly naked where others could see us, unless we were fairly sure they wouldn’t mind. And it’s always possible neighbors might have visitors who’d object to seeing nudity even if their hosts weren’t. We’re never ashamed of being seen naked. However, we now have a place with 10 acres, and almost none of that can been seen from outside. So we can be completely relaxed being naked almost anywhere on the property.

Jan: Since our place is in town, there’s no real privacy in the front yard, but the backyard is pretty private. It is possible to see small parts of our backyard and the pool area from a few directions. Now that Dave plans to be naked most of the time, I guess we’ll cross our fingers that nobody’s offended if they happen to see any nudity.

Dave: Isn’t there’s a downside to living away from town, even though you can have lots of land and little exposure to neighbors? Doesn’t that make it more difficult to find other nudist or naturist families that you can have a lot in common with?

Mark: Yes, but finding other naturist families has always been a problem for us, and living in a sparsely populated area doesn’t make it any easier. I think that’s one of the main problems for people who enjoy social nudity these days. It’s just too difficult to find other people who enjoy being naked as much as we do. It’s only natural for people to want to socialize with others who enjoy the same sorts of things – and that means a variety of preferences and attitudes, as well as activities. Sure, it’s all well and good to interact with different types of people. But when what you really want is to do things you especially enjoy, you want to be with people who enjoy those same things.

Jan: I don’t really have any idea how you’d go about finding other people who enjoy social nudity, though I assume there are clubs and resorts and associations for nudists and naturists. Seems like, in the past at least, there were nudist camps scattered around the country.

Julie: Sure, there are still nudists camps, as well as more upscale resorts, and other specialized things like bed and breakfast places, clothing-optional commercial hot springs, and so on. There are still clothing-optional beaches here and there, at some spots on lakes, rivers, and the coasts. But the number of such opportunities seems to be gradually declining. For whatever reason, nudism and naturism, at least in their traditional forms, seem to be losing rather gaining popularity.

Mark: In our experience the problem seems to be that most nudists and naturists these days are older folks. Younger people seem to have become increasingly less likely to get involved. We’ve gone as a family to a variety of places like Julie just mentioned. And the majority of people at many of the places seem to be already retired folks, or others who are near retirement. At a lot of places most of the people there come and stay in big RVs or travel trailers. These are generally older folks, rather than young families or young single people. Please don’t misunderstand. We have nothing against people who are older. It’s just that we don’t have as much in common with them as they have with each other.

Julie: Single people without partners of the opposite sex used to be unwelcome at many nudist places. That’s changed somewhat now, but the singles who come seem mostly to be males. That’s not to say anything bad about such people. The problem is that there are just too few who are like our family or yours. These problems are well-recognized among nudists and naturists, but nobody seems to have good ideas for what to do about them. It’s kind of depressing. As Mark said, we don’t mind meeting different kinds of people – but we certainly want to do things with others who enjoy the same things.

Jan: What sorts of things, for instance?

Julie: Oh, like camping in more remote or undeveloped areas – places you need a sturdy 4wd truck to get to, where big RVs and trailers just can’t go. That’s definitely not because we don’t want others to see us naked. It’s because being naked in places that are very different from modern cities and “civilization” just feels so – I don’t know – comfortable and liberating to us. Modern amenities are well and good in general. But such things are closely associated with clothing – and that’s exactly what we want to dispense with. We want to spend time in places that are very different from where any clothing at all is required.

Mark: There is one other alternative to fixed places where it’s possible to enjoy nudity, usually called “travel clubs”. These are relatively small groups of people who associate together to meet at the homes of members, or go to beaches or commercial nudist places. Some of them even do camping trips like Julie mentioned. One has to be accepted as a member to join, but that’s no big obstacle for “real” nudists who are socially compatible with others in the group.

Dave: But how do you find such groups in the first place?

Mark: Well, that’s the problem, no? Some are listed in various directories, but many aren’t, and nobody really knows how many that might be. Word of mouth from nudists or naturists you happen to know seems like the main way to locate such groups. And even then, a suitable group could meet mainly somewhere far from where you live. Sure, it would be fine to attend a party of nudists for occasions like potluck parties, Halloween parties, football-watching parties, or whatever. But how often would you want to do that if travel time to and from takes longer than the party itself?

Dave: What about the Internet? Isn’t that the way most people now learn about all sorts of things – commercial resorts and destinations, social groups, and even people to go on a date with? Aren’t there groups on places like Facebook where people can “meet” to talk about social nudity?

Julie: Oh yes, indeed. Our son Terry spends a lot of time checking out online places like that. I have the impression he hasn’t found that sort of thing very satisfactory.

Terry: Yeah, unfortunately it’s pretty depressing. There are various groups like that on Facebook. But they have all sorts of problems. People who participate actively seem mostly to be guys. There are a few younger and older women, but they’re way outnumbered. I suspect many women read the discussions in those groups, but they’re afraid to speak up, due to concern about revealing their names or locations and getting lots of unwanted attention. And you have little chance to know what the person behind any particular name is actually like, unless you’ve met them personally. But what good is that if the goal is to meet people in the first place?

Jan: Sounds a lot like all the dating sites that seem to be popular now.

Terry: Exactly, just like in dating apps or at dating sites you can’t tell very much about a person from what they reveal online. There are a few “social networking” places, sort of like Facebook, but just for nudists. Not only do they have the same sorts of problems, but the level of activity is usually much lower, so if you check in occasionally you may see very little that’s new.

Dave: This is all rather discouraging. I’m still kind of in the dark about how to get more involved enjoying being naked with other people who share that enthusiasm. At this point I don’t even know whether others in my family are also ready to enjoy being naked.

Julie: Mark and I understand your frustration very well – even though our whole family has had the advantage of a naked lifestyle for a long time and people like us are generally much more welcome in nudist activities. Other families like ours are still hard to find, given the problems Mark and I have mentioned. I’m pretty sure there are quite a few families in which all or most members are frequently naked, yet they’re afraid to let most neighbors or even most relatives know that. We’ve been acquainted with various families like that in places we’ve lived before. But we found out about them only by chance, or because they knew about us since we’re so open about our fondness for nudity and they sought us out.

Susan: My own family was a little bit like that when I was young.

Julie: That’s great. Once a family is comfortable enough being somewhat open about enjoying nudity, the word gets around. You can depend on that, and you should be prepared for it. The chances are that others who aren’t so open may come to you. But the problem is that as long as families that enjoy nudity are secretive about it, they’re hard to find. Someone has to make the first move.

Dave: That’s certainly how it looks to me.

Julie: You know what? Maybe you’ve just made that first move. It often takes only one person in a family who’s enthusiastic about nudity to gradually bring more family members around. Here’s what I think: if you don’t have other plans today your family should come visit our place after the practice here is over. We have a nice pool if there’s anyone else who wants to beat the heat, naked or otherwise. You could stay for dinner if you like. Maybe we could even talk more of you into trying nudity. That OK with you, Mark?

Mark: Yes, certainly.

Julie: There’d be no pressure on anyone to take their clothes off. But even if it’s just Dave who wants to be naked, that’s fine too. How about it?

Dave: You can definitely count me in. What about you, Jan?

Jan: It’s fine with me. I rather doubt I’m ready to take off all my clothes, but I’d love to see Julie and Mark’s place.

Susan: I’d absolutely love to go too. Who knows? I might even take off my own clothes.

Jan: I’m pretty sure Danielle wouldn’t want to miss this. If not, she’d better have a damn good excuse. Sean?

Sean: Sure. Sounds fine to me too.

To be continued.

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